Tiger Valley Team Match 2012

TIGER Valley hosted its 4th annual 4 man Tactical Team Match April 28th-29th 2012

Nine teams competed, including two from Arizona.

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Front Row Team Arizona Action Shooters (left to right): Don, Mark, Karl, Russell (author)
Back Row Arizona B-Team (left to right): Paul, Brad, Jake, Reid

The match featured 8 stages that tested team work, physical fitness, and marksmanship.  Over all score was  based on match points.  The fastest time or most targets hit on each stage got a team 100 points; everyone else’s score was calculated as a percentage of the best score per stage.

Dallas SWAT dominated the match winning by 95 match points.
Arizona Action Shooters was 3rd place, and Arizona B-Team was 4th place.

Scores:

(If anyone that participated wants me to include their team name, send me an e-mail).

Teams were able to pick to a great degree which team members complete which tasks on the stages.  This allowed us to play to our strengths.  We generally had two guys with long guns (rifle or shotgun) and two guys with pistols on most of the stages.  Shotgun was also much more prominently used at the 2012 match compared to previous years.  Having two team members with Saiga-12s was of particular advantage because guns had to be completely unloaded until in the shooting area, then cleared again rapidly.

We were able to run 2 POV cameras on team Arizona Action Shooters to get a more complete view of all the stages.  I used a ContourHD, and Don used a Vio POV 1 (non-HD).  I edited the view back and forth to show what was going on at the same relative time.

Here are all the videos of team Arizona Action Shooters:

Stage 1: 100 Match Points

Stage 2: 100 Match Points

Stage 3: 58.6 Match Points

Stage 4: 68.1 Match Points

Stage 5: 81.4 Match Points

Stage 6: 67.6 Match Points

Stage 7: 97.2 Match Points

Stage 8: 92 Match Points

TIGER Valley’s 4 man tactical team match is a one of a kind event open to the public.  There simply is not another venue for this type of competition.  Action shooting competitors wanting to take it to the next level, or students of tactical schools wanting a solid annual test should attend this match and compare themselves to the professional teams that show up.

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Hahn Precision Aimpoint Micro Mount for HAMR

Leupold’s HAMR scope is a relatively new entry into the market for low-fixed power optics, competing most directly with the Trijicon ACOG.  You can read all about it here on The Firearm Blog.  I have had a HAMR for a few months now and the things I like about it most are the long eye relief and adjustable brightness reticle. Another noteworthy feature is the mount has different screw holes that allow the user to adjust how far forward or back the scope sits in relation to the shooter’s eye while remaining in the same rail slots.

The HAMR I purchased came with the Leupold Delta Point reflex sight mounted on top at the front of the scope.  Leupold’s choice to mount the reflex sight forward on the HAMR is much more user friendly than mounting it at the rear like the ACOG.  I have previously used a Doctor Optic mounted on top of an ACOG, and I constantly had the bill of my hat banging into the Doctor when I used the ACOG.  This was distracting and the primary reason I did not stick with the ACOG/Doctor Combo.

Unfortunately, while I like the position of the Delta Point on the HAMR, I do not care much for the sight itself.  Zeroing the delta point was a frustrating experience.  It uses very small screws for the windage and elevation adjustments and two small screws to lock those in place.  With the Delta Point mounted on top of the HAMR loosening those locking screws was challenging.  I had to remove the Delta point to have sufficient leverage to loosen them.  Adjusting windage and elevation was also tricky because there is just gross screw adjustments; not clicks for known measurements.  When compared to the Trijicon RMR LED model (the most directly competing sight), the Delta Point is lacking in ease of use.  The Delta Point is slightly smaller and about $100 cheaper, but the ease of use of the RMR offsets these disadvantages.

When I am competing in Open or Trooper divisions, I like the option of a red dot for close range stages.  I also prefer the secondary red dot mounted on top of the primary magnified optic rather than offset so I can use it off either shoulder; stage design often forces me as a lefty to shoot right handed.  I was disappointed that the Delta Point on the HAMR was not the solution I had hoped it would be.  Fortunately Hahn Precision is working on a mount that allows the use of an Aimpoint Micro on top of the HAMR.  The Aimpoint Micro is an extremely rugged sight with easy to adjust windage and elevation and adjustable brightness.  Furthermore the closed tube of the Micro will not gather dust/debris like the Deltapoint or RMR when exposed to the elements.  The  Aimpoint Micro is a natural companion optic for a military grade sight like the HAMR.  Pictures of the prototype system are below.  I am looking forward to using this system in the near future.

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Optics Pouch by Coyote Tactical

Two of the matches I have coming up have rules that allow you to reconfigure your guns if you carry the different optics or accessories with you for the duration of the match.  I have been primarily using a Trijicon TA11J the past several months, but sometimes a stage might be a lot easier to shoot with an Aimpoint due to the unlimited eye relief.  Having to shoot with a gas mask or paintball mask on, or from very awkward positions is something I’ve done in the past where using an Aimpoint would be an advantage.  Conversely, I much prefer the ACOG for 150-400 yard shooting.  The LaRue mounts I have on both optics return to zero reliably so I am not worried about swapping them back and forth as needed.

I asked Coyote Tactical to make me a pouch that could accommodate either optic while the other is on my rifle.  Pictured below is the final product:

The pouch is MOLLE compatible.

The lid is secured with velcro and padded

The body of pouch is supported by kydex and the kydex covered in soft material to support the optic.

 

 

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April 2012 ACTS Match

1st/33 Overall, 1/13 Open Division.

I used my 14.5″ (permanent phantom flash hider) carbine with Trijicon TA11J for this match as I will be using it next week at the Tiger Valley Team Match.  From watching others shoot the match this time, the main thing that put me in the lead was cleaner pistol shooting.  On stage 1 I had 3 shots for 3 hits, and on stage 3 I only had 2 seconds added for -1 zone hits.  Several people should have been faster than me, but when it got to the pistol portions they missed a lot or got a lot of time added on paper.  Pistol shooting at ACTS is always very technical, and it pays to be able to shoot the pistol accurately at range when fatigued.

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Training for Tiger Valley Team Match 2012

The Tiger Valley 4 Man Team Match is just a couple weeks away.  The match features a number of obstacles and physical challenges, that are as important to complete as quickly as possible as the shooting.  Negotiating the obstacles efficiently at the match has been our weakness for the past 3 years.  In an effort to be better prepared for the match this year, the two Arizona teams pooled their resources and built a wall similar to the ones encountered at the match to practice going over.

The wall prop is modular so we could practice going over it in 4 foot form as well as 8 foot form.

We trained with all the gear we will use at the match; if something is going to snag or get caught, better to learn it when score isn’t on the line.  We did not carry our rifles with us as we have typically had to set them on the side of obstacles anyway for the sake of safety.

We ran laps and went over the wall as a team.  Its better to let the fast guys get there first because by the time they’re over it, the slower guys catch up.

Reid demonstrates a good vault over the 4 foot wall.

Even with the ladder pack Don is faster than the rest of the team.

For some it is easier to get a knee up on the wall and roll over rather than get the whole leg up and vault over it.

Don easily vaults over the wall.

The ladder pack throws my balance off a little so its easier for me to get a knee up and roll over with it on.

Without the ladder pack it is a lot easier to get my leg up and pull the inside one through to jump over.

Mark also finds it easier to roll over the wall with the ladder pack.

Litter carry is part of the match, including over obstacles.

With the 8 foot wall assembled, Arizona B-Team man handles each other over it.

Reid is an animal and needs no help over the wall.

Team Arizona Action Shooters uses technology to solve the wall problem

Tactical Ladder Deployed!

The wall was built to mirror the prop at Tiger Valley as closely as possible, including the plywood lip extending past the frame.

As the last man over I lift the ladder up and pull it down for team mates on the others side to retrieve and collapse…

…then I roll over the top.

Practicing the mechanics of going over the walls made us all more comfortable with having to do it at the match and allowed us to address issues that could have cost us time during the real stages.

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Saiga-12 Accessories Worth Having

Here is a run down on some of the Saiga-12 accessories I am currently using that have increased the functionality of the shotgun and held up well under regular use.

RS Regulate Aimpoint Mount

The RS Regulate mount attaches to the side rail of the Saiga-12 (or any other AK with side rail).  The Aimpoint has minimal bore offset for natural cheek weld, and iron sights can co-witness through it (if your gun has them).  It also allows disassemly of the Saiga-12 with the optic still in place.  This is an important feature as Saiga-12s require much more regular cleaning than traditional AKs.  Most of the other side rail optics I’ve tried either sit too high or require removal (and thus rezeroing) to field strip the gun.

I witness mark all the screws so I can tell at a glance if something is coming loose.

The RS Regulate mount also allows side to side adjustment to center the optic over the bore.

AGP Arms Side Folding Stock

The AGP Arms side folding stock has a rugged hinge and latch for a solid lock up.  The injection molded stock is strong and light.  The rubber butt pad effectively reduces recoil.  This particular gun has about 2,000 rounds through it with this stock and it’s still solid.  I shot an ACE stock apart before in ~1500 rounds.  If you want a folding stock on your Saiga-12 this is the one to have.  You will need an adapter block and to cut off the tang of the trunion, but it is easy for end users to install.

Krebb’s Iron Sights

The Krebb’s Iron sights consist of the front post pictured above and a ghost ring rear that sits in the slot on top of the gas tube of the Saiga-12.  Windage is zeroed by rotating the front sight right or left (locktite the screws in place) and adjusting the AR15 style front post.  I have an XS big dot front sight in mine; its a natural fit for use on a shotgun.

Tromix Do-It-Yourself Trigger Guard/Fire Control Conversion

I converted the guns pictured above with the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard and fire control sets.  Removing the factory fire control and installing these parts is a simple job with a dremel tool and/or a drill.  Swapping out these parts allows the use of standard AK stocks and pistol grips and helps meet 922(r) parts count requirements.  There are a number of guides online for how to do the conversion yourself.  No need to spend hundreds of dollars on a gunsmith or wait weeks/months if all you want is a simple conversion.

King Armory Gas Piston

The Saiga-12 has a small removable piston in the gas block between the gas setting adjuster and what is normally the piston on an ak, but acts as an operating rod on the Saiga-12.  The King Armory Gas Piston features a bevelled front edge to help keep debris (lead and plastic shavings come through the gas ports from clogging the operating system).  It also counts as a US part to help comply with 922(r)

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CAV-15 MKII Durability and Longevity

The flagship product of Cavalry Arms Corporation was the CAV-15 polymer lower receiver, and later starting in 2003 the CAV-15 MKII lower receiver.  You can read all about the design history of the CAV-15 here.  I worked for Cavalry Arms Corporation from 2001 to June of 2010 when it closed down.  During that time I was able to participate in all aspects of production, testing, assembly, and testing.  I also used the CAV-15 extensively in competitions during that time.  Some of my personal receivers had 15,000 rounds on them, and some withstood abuse that would have damaged or destroyed aluminum receivers.  The CAV-15 MKIIs worked so well because of the one piece design that gave it strength, and the nylon material that allowed it to flex and return to its original shape.

posted 02 July, 2009
We attended the TIGER Valley 4 Man Team Competition in Waco, Texas this past weekend.  You can read all about the match here:   http://www.actshooters.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000223

Late in the day on Saturday while waiting to shoot, my partner’s rifle and mine were both run over by another competitor’s truck.  This was an unfortunate accident, he didn’t see our gear pile on the side of the range (don’t worry, insurance is covering the damage).  My rifle and my partner’s were in a soft double rifle case, his was on the side facing up.  My partner’s scope (Russian POSP) was broken in half, offeset Burris red dot broken off and damaged, rail handguard damaged, charging handle broken, and buffer tube bent.  The rifle was seriously out of action, the bolt could not travel to the rear.

Damage pics of his:

My rifle on the bottom was damaged with some large gouges in the stock where the scope on the other hit into it.  There was no other obvious damage.  The zero shifted (upon disassembly, the upper receiver was found to be cracked at the barrel extension), and the rifle was not as accurate for the rest of the match, but it functioned flawlessly.  Every round chambered fired, the bolt cycled fine, and locked back on empty mags.  Plastic has the ability to flex where metal will just bend.

Trijicon proactively replaced several components in my ACOG, even though no damage was apparent.  Aimpoint said there was no damage to my Aimpoint T1 Micro at all.

In October of 2009 I did an AR15 Dirt Test using a CAV-15 MKII.

Pics of the rifle afterwards

A month later I used this same rifle at the American Heroes Team Challenge in Las Vegas, NV and it performed reliably and I was able to hit targets out to 250 yards without issue.

I suspect that the CAV-15 performed better than a traditional AR15 would have with this abuse.  The buffer tube area is much more open with the buffer and spring riding on ribs rather than a solid tube.  I believe this allowed more debris to blow past into these areas rather than causing binding.

Cavalry Arms Corp ownership and staff was all shooters.  We put a lot of rounds down range in competition, testing, and just shooting for fun.  The particular lower in this photo had gone through several uppers that were shot to the point they were no longer accurate.

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3-17-2012 ACTS Match

The March 2012, AZ Acts match was my first match after a 6 week long break from shooting.  Work had kept me busy from February all the way through Mid-March.  Whenever I go more than a month without shooting a match I feel rusty when I go back; it requires more mental focus on stage descriptions and match procedures to make sure I am doing everything correctly.  Nonetheless I placed 4th/47 over all, and 2nd/16 in Open.

I used an ACOG TA11J at this match because I will be using it at the Tiger Valley Team Match April 28th-29th.  That match is mostly 100-400 yard shooting with very little close range shooting.  We actually had some decent distance at this match with targets at 150 yards, but I still felt using the ACOG was slower than if I had been using an Aimpoint by a small percentage.  ACTS stages force us to reacquire our sights multiple times (see stages 1, 2, and 4) in the video.  With a magnified optic every time I have to reacquire the sight picture after setting it down or moving to a new area it takes a fraction of a second longer to get my head in the right position to see through the scope and acquire the target; all these fractions add up for a longer stage time.  Past the ranges we shoot at in ACTS, I prefer the ACOG to an Aimpoint; but no one optic can do everything optimally.  Its important to try them in all these different conditions to see what compromise is best for your application.

This was also the first match I used my standard Safariland ALS holster.  It retained the pistol securely throughout the match, and the mechanism didn’t get jammed up from crawling around in the sand (I’ll continue to pay attention to this over time).  Even with minimal use, it is faster than my SLS safariland holsters I’ve been using for 10 years.  I intend to do a test in the future comparing exactly how much faster it is.

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Safariland ALS Holster for Red Dot Glock

I read an article on military times a couple months ago about a Safariland ALS holster designed to accommodate Glocks with red dots mounted.  I had been wanting to try the ALS system after using the SLS roto-hood system for 10 years and compare the two for speed and ease of use.  So I ordered one direct from Safariland customer service and 4 weeks later it arrived.

Unfortunately, the Safariland 6354DO will not work out of the box with OST-TSD modified slides that have iron sights in line with the Trijicon RMRs.  It will only work with RMR mounted in the rear sight dove tail mount.  I think this is a major oversight on the part of Safariland.  Having the iron sights in line with the dot is what makes it practical as a carry/duty gun in the event the dot loses power or is broken.  The OST-TSD configured slides are also the most common as they offer both off the shelf ready to go slides and machining services for your Glock factory slides.  I would think that among serious users this configuration would be a lot more common than just dropping the dove tail mount in the rear of the slide.

Aside from those reasons, not making it work out of the box with the OST-TSD configured slide makes even less sense considering how minute the difference is to make it work.  I was able to modify the holster to work with my OST-TSD Glock 34 in about 10 minutes, this included determining what I needed to change on the holster.

In this picture below you can see that the retention mechanism sits back about 1/8″ too far to allow the OST-TSD slide to sit all the way into the holster:

I used a belt sander to remove about 1/8″ of material from the top of the retention device and cleaned up the edges with a razor blade.

Before:

After:

I used a heat gun for about 20 seconds on the front of the holster to reshape it so the RMR could drop all the way in

Before:

After:


It locks up like it should and cleanly releases.

If you’re used to using the ALS holster and want commonality of training, or your department/agency requires the ALS mechanism you can make the 6354DO work with your OST-TSD slide.

If you want something that works out of the box with your OST-TSD slide, your best option is to buy the Bladetech unit that OST is selling.

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AR15 vs SCAR-H MK17S Speed Test

I ran an informal test with fellow competitive shooter, Karl, to see how fast the SCAR-H MK17S handles at close range compared to our AR15 carbines.  We expected the SCAR-H to be slower as it is in 7.62mm NATO and the AR15s are in 5.56mm NATO, the idea was to see if a shooter using a SCAR-H for better terminal performance at long range was giving up much at close ranges.

Equipment used:

My AR15
Mid-length gas, Spike’s heavy buffer, Hogan MFG 4.5# trigger, PWS FSC556 brake
Aimpoint M4S 2MOA, 3x Magnifier flipped to side.

Karl’s AR15
Carbine gas, RRA 2 Stage, Spike’s heavy buffer, A2 flash hider
Leupold CQT on 1X

MK17S
Stock trigger, stock PWS .308 brake
Aimpoint M4 2MOA, 3x Magnifier flipped to side

We ran 2 series of drills both with our respective AR15s, and with the MK17S.  The first drill was double taps on three paper targets spaced about 6 feet apart at 10 yards.  The second drill was a triple threat; single paper target at 7 yards; 3 shots to center of mass, one head shot, one pelvis shot.

As you can see from the data below, the difference between the AR15s and the MK17S was marginal.  The most obvious difference to the shooters was firing 3 rapid shots on the triple threat drill; the recoil was harder to manage proportionately than double taps and the group opened up more with the MK17S.  The split times shot to shot were slower, but not by much, this could be from the factory trigger vs match triggers as much as increased recoil.  The recoil from the MK17S is very manageable, but noticeably more than the AR15.  While our results in speed and accuracy (we punched out the A zones of the targets) were similar between platforms we both felt the MK17S required more “work” (using more muscle strength to control the gun during the recoil cycle).  More testing, and more ammo, would be required to see how long it would take for fatigue to become a factor using the MK17S vs the AR15

It is interesting to note that my first shots fired with the MK17s were consistently faster due to the ambidextrous controls given that I am a lefty.  On the extreme side I was 0.30 seconds faster with the first shot with the MK17S than with the AR15 as sweeping off the selector with my trigger finger and acquiring the grip takes longer than merely using my thumb with the SCAR.  Testing on the clock answered the question of whether or not I should switch to ambi selectors on my ARs; every little bit of time saved counts whether your opponents are other competitors at a match or bad people intending you harm.

In conclusion, the MK17S SCAR-H does not appear to be significantly slower in operation at close distances than the AR15 and should not weigh heavily to the user analyzing the costs and benefits of one system vs the other.

Russell-AR15 3x Double Tap
First target Split Second Target Split Third target Split Total
String 1 1.04 0.14 0.55 0.17 0.62 0.15 2.67
String 2 1.02 0.14 0.59 0.16 0.56 0.16 2.63
String 3 1.09 0.15 0.59 0.16 0.57 0.17 2.73
Average 1.05 0.14 0.58 0.16 0.58 0.16 2.68
Russell-MK17S
First target Split Second Target Split Third target Split Total
String 1 1.2 0.2 0.59 0.19 0.58 0.18 2.74
String 2 0.93 0.18 0.6 0.18 0.6 0.18 2.67
String 3 0.95 0.22 0.56 0.2 0.55 0.2 2.68
Average 1.03 0.2 0.58 0.19 0.58 0.19 2.7
Karl-AR15 3X Double Tap
First target Split Second Target Split Third target Split Total
String 1 0.7 0.15 0.32 0.12 0.33 0.15 1.77
String 2 0.68 0.14 0.52 0.15 0.55 0.13 2.17
String 3 0.76 0.14 0.34 0.15 0.33 0.13 1.85
Average 0.71 0.14 0.39 0.14 0.4 0.14 1.93
Karl-MK17S 3X Double Tap
First target Split Second Target Split Third target Split Total
String 1 0.69 0.18 0.42 0.18 0.33 0.17 1.97
String 2 0.66 0.18 0.37 0.17 0.35 0.18 1.91
String 3 0.64 0.16 0.4 0.15 0.44 0.17 1.96
Average 0.66 0.17 0.4 0.17 0.37 0.17 1.95
Russell-AR15 Triple Threat
First Shot Split Split Head Pelvis Total
String 1 1.25 0.15 0.15 0.52 0.5 2.57
String 2 1.1 0.14 0.14 0.49 0.51 2.38
String 3 1.15 0.13 0.14 0.4 0.48 2.3
Average 1.17 0.14 0.14 0.47 0.5 2.42
Russell-MK17S Triple Threat
First Shot Split Split Head Pelvis Total
String 1 0.96 0.18 0.14 0.53 0.53 2.34
String 2 1.1 0.19 0.18 0.56 0.58 2.61
String 3 0.94 0.19 0.16 0.47 0.65 2.41
Average 1 0.19 0.16 0.52 0.59 2.45
Karl-AR15
First Shot Split Split Head Pelvis Total
String 1 0.66 0.16 0.14 0.31 0.34 1.61
String 2 0.72 0.15 0.1 0.35 0.5 1.82
String 3 0.7 0.16 0.12 0.47 0.49 1.94
Average 0.69 0.16 0.12 0.38 0.44 1.79
KARL MK17S
First Shot Split Split Head Pelvis Total
String 1 0.68 0.18 0.18 0.47 0.42 1.93
String 2 0.66 0.29 0.21 0.43 0.5 2.09
String 3 0.62 0.22 0.25 0.4 0.53 2.02
Average 0.65 0.23 0.21 0.43 0.48 2.01
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